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Molly · 01-16-2003, 11:06 AM

the_logos 1:
It figures. When the discussion gets a bit embarrassing, he withdraws from the arena. He never yet gave a straight answer to an embarrassing question – like for instance why he uses those phoney adverts, claiming unexisting awards.
I guess it also illustrates what his only interest in this site is.

the_logos 2:
Not quite. There is a distinct difference between REAL traffic – people who come here to actually view the list and to take active part in the site, and those who just click a vote button to get some extra experience points in a mud. The latter don’t contribute to discussion threads or submit articles. Like the owner of Achaea, they are only interested in one thing – to get immediate advantages for themselves.

This site used to be a great place, with interesting discussions and articles to read. It used to be fun watching the struggle on the list, even if it reflected more the size of the playerbase than the quality of the mud. Now one mud has made a total mockery out of the list. And I think, that regardless of how many hits the site may get from their bloated votes, it still harms it a lot more than it ‘helps’, because it alienates the good people that used to hang out here and make contributions to the community.

I find myself gradually losing interest in the site, and I think the same thing has happened to others. When was the last time there was an interesting thread on the Advanced Mud Concept or Builders’ Forum? How many new articles have been posted in the last months? Coincidence? Maybe, but my personal opinion is that there is a connection.

I respect Synozeer’s assessment that the list cannot be ‘policed’ in any effective way. He is probably right about that.
Still, I don’t think that a mud that so blatantly abuses a system as Achaea should be allowed to continue with it. In this case there is absolutely no doubt about what is going on.

I also respect Synozeer's generosity and civil courage to allow this discussion to go on openly. Free speech is always a good thing.
So now I’ll exercise that freedom of speech and respectfully make a suggestion:

My suggestion would be to post a policy on the boards, that setting up a jumping ip-address and then bribing the players to click the vote button as often as possible is not acceptable. I would then suggest that he politely ask Achaea to stop what they are doing, and if they fail to comply, that he remove the mud from the list for a suitable length of time. Perhaps that would send a message to the owner, who otherwise seems remarkably devoid of shame and deaf to public opinion. Maybe it would also send a message to the rest of the Community.

01-16-2003, 11:06 AM	#34
Molly Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: Sweden Home MUD: 4 Dimensions Posts: 574	the_logos 1: It figures. When the discussion gets a bit embarrassing, he withdraws from the arena. He never yet gave a straight answer to an embarrassing question – like for instance why he uses those phoney adverts, claiming unexisting awards. I guess it also illustrates what his only interest in this site is. the_logos 2: Not quite. There is a distinct difference between REAL traffic – people who come here to actually view the list and to take active part in the site, and those who just click a vote button to get some extra experience points in a mud. The latter don’t contribute to discussion threads or submit articles. Like the owner of Achaea, they are only interested in one thing – to get immediate advantages for themselves. This site used to be a great place, with interesting discussions and articles to read. It used to be fun watching the struggle on the list, even if it reflected more the size of the playerbase than the quality of the mud. Now one mud has made a total mockery out of the list. And I think, that regardless of how many hits the site may get from their bloated votes, it still harms it a lot more than it ‘helps’, because it alienates the good people that used to hang out here and make contributions to the community. I find myself gradually losing interest in the site, and I think the same thing has happened to others. When was the last time there was an interesting thread on the Advanced Mud Concept or Builders’ Forum? How many new articles have been posted in the last months? Coincidence? Maybe, but my personal opinion is that there is a connection. I respect Synozeer’s assessment that the list cannot be ‘policed’ in any effective way. He is probably right about that. Still, I don’t think that a mud that so blatantly abuses a system as Achaea should be allowed to continue with it. In this case there is absolutely no doubt about what is going on. I also respect Synozeer's generosity and civil courage to allow this discussion to go on openly. Free speech is always a good thing. So now I’ll exercise that freedom of speech and respectfully make a suggestion: My suggestion would be to post a policy on the boards, that setting up a jumping ip-address and then bribing the players to click the vote button as often as possible is not acceptable. I would then suggest that he politely ask Achaea to stop what they are doing, and if they fail to comply, that he remove the mud from the list for a suitable length of time. Perhaps that would send a message to the owner, who otherwise seems remarkably devoid of shame and deaf to public opinion. Maybe it would also send a message to the rest of the Community.