maybe, instead of the useless conjuncture and assumptions of various people, this will give us an idea of what you people REALLY think........... just so we know what we're talking about in our little "debate"

-likita

You missed the option "cut the spam or shut up". Count that as my vote (I hit the null vote on purpose).

Bringing this to a popularity contest is utterly stupid. But I expect you're really going to find out just how funny people find spam.

At the time of my vote, 80% of the people voting said they wished you would leave or shut up. So, four out of five wish you would leave or shut up... and one didn't care either way. I wonder who could have made that vote. *shrug*

85.71% for me when I voted.

I'd say that this is going on an ovewhelming landslide now.

But, that first one should be, 'Cut the spam, leave, or shut up'.

-D

I admit it, I was one of the 'leave or shut up' voters - though I agree that a 'cut the spam or leave/shut up' option would've been more appropriate. I'm not going to write a big meandering post on the subject, since pretty much everything has already been covered, but I will say my piece. I like to consider myself a reasonably tolerant person... I wince but read through endless sentences written with caps lock on, excessive and nearly blinding punctuation, and other quirks that are generally considered inappropriate anywhere on the Internet. I do my level best to ignore the occasional trolls who plague the various forums I frequent. I ignore spam.

Well, I try. When all of the active threads shown on the opening screen are useless ones, it's a lot harder. Unfortunately, I don't have all day to sit and read the posts here, and used to rely on that little box to let me know what I should be looking at, along with a brief glance over the full list. To be honest, I've all but given up on TMS, like I have TMC, which is why I post so rarely. It's depressing, because I really -like- discussions, and I like sharing my ideas with those who can appreciate and critique or augment them. Debates make me happy, too - I've read through some of the longest threads I've ever seen because every post was interesting, and I don't begrudge those wasted hours.

But right now, there's almost nothing here worth reading, when you compare it to the staggering number of threads that mean nothing at all, and the number choked with add-ons that add little, if anything. If I were a newbie, I'd not have stayed more than a day; TMS is starting to resemble one of thousands of other boards supposedly aimed at a given topic, but in reality overrun with frivolties. I'm comforted by the fact that the moderators are at work here in most of the sections, and whenever I have free time again (does that ever happen? Does it?! *frazzled look*), I plan to post there. I just wish things looked like they did a year ago, even. *shrugs*

Reason I stopped wasting time on TMC was because of mindless spam. The place is a craphole now because of it. Hate to say it, but TMS is turning into the same since the spam movement settled in. And frankly, I settled for the option labeled "leave or shut up" since you left out the option of "be banned and never allowed to return".

hmm..thats really interesting,as for me at least..
You unhappy with that we are often posting so called meaningless posts.I agree,yea,i myself often post different stuff that has not much to do with development of muds or whatever.
But hey,am I posting my 'spam' on discussion boards ??

i never seen any too serious discussions at tavern of blue hand !
So whats the problem ? it takes you a 30 seconds more to see new topics ?

Well, the thing is that it can be pretty annoying. I personally don't want to have to skim through a thread in order to find the meaningful posts. And most of what you guys have been writing just.. doesn't make sense. Or it's just stupid. No offense, but I'd kind of like to see it stopped.

Like some people have said, one reason I liked it here better than tmc is because of all the senseless spammy posts, which I don't particularly like having to sift through. It's nice that you guys like having fun, but you should also respect the wishes of the other posters who frequent here.

Ill let this post to serve also a bit as 'introduce yourself',because I havent posted here before.

I was with TMS already for about 2 years.Yes,interesting discussions,also interesting people.
I can say one thing : I liked it.
Now.I cant already say the same about people here.
What have actually these 'spammers' done to you ?
Yes,I agree,Shao_Long and Likita and sometimes Xanferious with Seth too do things which may be called spam.
However,they are not doing this in any of serious disscussions.
I see one thing : These 'twits' (by the way,Dulan,Orion and Alstair,now this is your fault - they havent insulted you first,and there you are childish) havent actually caused any harm for me,neither not for any of you,if to look deeper. Yes,recent posts now are often overtaken by them,but is this such a big problem to jump on them like this ?
This more looks like you dont like them - you start picking on them.Actually ,this all looks like a BIG LOAD OF CR&& for me.

Hmm..I've actually have broken my rule for now - no interference..But I couldnt stand seeing their names washed in dirt anymore.You guys are acting like a big bunch of a$$h0l^$ now. I would suggest you apologize before Shao,Likita,Seth and Xanf,and best of all

FORGET THIS MESS.NOW YOU ARE RIPPING TMS APART.THATS FOR SURE

I already saw THREE forums completely killed by jerks who didnt liked something about some people,who tried to have some fun.And now,you are looking funny.


---The watching Eye from the Sky---

PS. I ask you again.Stop this madness.I dont like posting.

I thought I had withdrawn myself from spamming which pretty much made me neutral? Or at least something similiar to that which would prevent me from getting my butt kicked if something bad WERE to happen in time... Hence why I will ask people NOT tothink of me as they vote for this poll. (Even tho Likita did write me down as a "spammer")

Sorry guys but i dont spam and this poll is retarded.
and what makes you think i belong to your little group?

I just wish you people would try to show a little more consideration for the service (TMS) which has been provided for you. I'm glad to see that Seth has started calming down, and even Xanferious has demonstrated that he is capable of making worthwhile contributions when he puts his mind to it - but it's still going to take effort to get these forums back to the state they used to be.

There's nothing wrong the occasional humourous post, and the occasional flame war is only natural, but there is a limit - and several posters have crossed it.

You keep telling that somebody has been overspamming and stuff..well,is there many people spamming now ?
no.and,most interesting,the people begun complaining about spam A LOT of time after the spam itself (if it was spam) happened.
And,I would say,Shaolong and Likita and Xanferious and Seth now too have a lot to complain about.You have almost turned their names to some bad words,even though they havent done anything at all !
Yes,Shaolong have spammed a bit,Likita maybe too,but you have been FAR too harsh to them.
You were acting like if they are enemies,not the members of this community too.
Heh,after you begun picking on them,have they been spamming at least a bit ?


--- dr.Kvirk

I agree

I offered my opinion a while ago on this subject, but have since stopped as I am only willing to bang my head against the wall so many times before realizing that it won't break.  Nonetheless, I do wish the spam would stop.

However, what brings me to post again is what I believe is something even more disingenuous.  I believe kvirk and shao_long are one and the same.  They both use more commas then necessary, they both start a new paragraph for every sentence, they both use caps, they both use improper grammar and the both have bad spelling.  However, it is the commas and new paragraphs that lead me to this deduction.  Moreover, in the need advice thread kvirk started he says to email him at SL@blahblah.  SL = shao_long?

If you know you are wrong just accept it.  Making up new characters to vote and post agreements is beyond childish.  It is deceptive and dishonest.


Edited to add more information:

as of 10:27 am 5/4/2002

shao_long : last profile update 6:53 am 5/4/2002
Kvirk : Registered at 6:21 am 5/4/2002

So we know both were up at same time. And it looks like shao_long changed his profile to hide information.

Mason: Nail and head.

: From kvirk's advice thread:

Hmm..A nice idea,actually,but I'd said no.Im not Shaolong,though Im tend to think you'll wont believe me anyways..

I dont know,if its interesting for any of you,and I actually dont know,will you trust it,but I actually dont care,so why not tell you ?
is something like public email actually, and its actually used by approx ~10 people I suppose.
And,now just try to be logical : why would ANYONE at all need to create a profile ? for votes or to make agreements ? heh,its rather funny..

And by the way,this site was recommended to me by one guy named -=Saga=- and as far as I know,he knows one guy named SL,who might be just yours Shaolong.

Now,I just saw your update..Which details would Shaolong be 'hiding' ?

I'll say how its called - its called paranoidal syndrome and it this stuff means this : you're accusing everyone you see just to accuse,without giving a slightest though,if your accusation really has anything to rely on.

Have you ever heard about Okkama's method ?


hmm...I see I myself am already dragged into your flame war...Remember my post : us and them ? You again are trying to categorize everyone as either we or them..


--- dr.Kvirk

and by the way, SL stands for Solid Logics,which is a half internet half RL project,about which you'll be soon able to learn on its website,which is currently (sorry) not yet finished.


and thanks noticing that I have bad syntax..I'll have to work on my english a bit more,I think



--- dr.Kvirk

PS. What party I am now ? Party B...hmm,i think I typed follow self 5 minutes ago

PPS. one more thing...If I would typed that my email is ..hmm,for example,Thoric@realmsofdespair.com or whatever it is in my profile,you would have thought I am Thoric ?
funny people..just funny

ROFLMAO.

1. "Paranoidal syndrome" doesn't exist
2. It's called Occam's razor. Don't they teach that even in Lithuania?

Hint #1: when you try to pass off as a psychologist, it's a tad better if you write your alleged profession right... instead of making twice the same typo.

Hint #2: When trying to take the high road in a debate where people are kindly and not-so-kindly requested to stop spamming, immediately spawning half a dozen new threads (yeah, it is an exageration atm) kinda says all it needs about you.

For the last time, this isn't a popularity contest or whatever. This is a request to cut down the spam. How hard is that to comprehend?

"kvirk", or "Shao_Long", or whatever you wish to call yourself, when you're caught lying, the best thing to do is to just to apologise. Continuing the lie will just reflect even more badly on you in the long run.

allright now KaVir ,
You keep telling that kvirk is me,well its your problem,just explain to me,please,how did I logged in two accounts at once ?

and hey.If anyone of you will EVER again call kvirk a liar or something like that,I will be pestering that one until he'll apologize with everything i have !
so choose your words more carefully,allrgiht ?

btw..about apologies..I still didnt heard any..Or its in your best manners to call people twits,jerks,and such,and count it as everything is allright ?

Shao_long, you already proved that not only can you not read, you can't count, and now it's obvious you don't have a clue how to use a computer (or so you'd like us to think). It doesn't take too much to open up several copies of a browser and log in with different names.

As for apologies, you said you'd not talk anymore if we didn't apologize... we hoped you weren't lying... apparently, however, you were. So yes, you're a liar. I will also be reporting your little threat, since you so nicely claimed that you were going to start sending out viruses to the people you didn't like in your post on the 'what do YOU have to say against me ?' thread. You threatened to send out viruses TWICE in that thread.

*shrug* Bright.

Nemesis = Kvirik = Shao_Long.

No two people can have such similar typing styles/quirks. Well, I shouldn't say no two people, but the chances of it are almost nill. Out of all the time I have been on the 'net, I have _never_ met two different people with such similar typing styles (Excuse me, but they are almost identical. As in 99.98% or .97% similar). They always were the same person claiming to be two seperate people.

In this case, considering the consistancy of grammatical errors, spelling mistakes, forgotten/confused words, and consistant phrases/words/etc., I'd say that they are one and the same.

-D

well,you call me a liar.
but now,how would you call a man,who turned a JOKE into THIS ?
I usually dont use words which describe such kind of a person.
And,hey,I actually care no more,do you trust me,Orion,or you dont.You're not the man who's trust I would value anyways,I suppose.

btw,im talking not just to you , Orion,but to everyone here . Im simply very curious to know,is it considered nice to turn jokes into flame wars here,and is it considered nice to pick on people like that,even if you dont know a damn bit about them.


PS. hope you'll have a bit more to tell next time,then telling once again that kvirk is me,or saying another time that Im a liar.I heard it many times from you already,and you know,THIS is what I call spam (if you dont like harrasement more).

now note to you,Dulan...
Please,stop repeating that I=Nemesis=kvirk (if you meant him by kivirk),because this IS what is called SPAM.Thats for sure.

And hey.Thanks for the compliment.I really would be happy to be kvirk.

-shrug- The name is irrelevant.

And, you do realize Shao_Long that the Moderators can check IP's?

Yes. KaVir can find out about whose who with the click of a button. Are you sure you want to keep up this story, only to be embarassed later?

-D

i actually have not a slightest idea,where and who can be sitting on my comp,cuz as i said im in 'net not from home,and hey,i dont care,let them check,but whats embarassing,is the very fact that YOU have begun picking on ME,and my friend,without a SINGLE REASON.And now YOU keep insulting me,and still you think that YOU are the saint here,and Im some criminal.Why cant you accept the fact that YOU arent that correct too.I said already,I might have spammed a bit before,and I apologized.But YOU have created already SUCH a big LOAD of SPAM,and not the harmless spam we created,but actually a thing that most people would call HARRASMENT,not spam,that I'm now wondering,why arent YOU the ones being accused ? What have YOU to say in defense ?

and,btw,Im still waiting for concrete accusations in my other post.Go ahead,tell me,what do you dont like so much in me.

I have almost 1/4th the posts of you and Seth, and what, 1/5th the posts of Xanferious?

My so-called "spam" is a fraction of what you have posted. Now, learn to type, learn to punctuate, learn to spell, and learn to use grammar. It will make your posts readable, and understandable to people who are not fluent in twink-wannabe.

-D

at least my 'spam' hadnt consisted on 50% of insults,and hey,
if i cant spell VERY well in english doenst means I spam !

Cax, my posts on the boards are vinegar compared to the acid I've spewed at a few people in private messages.

I can basically state the entire point of this all: Get the spammers to apologize publicly for their spam, and then get them to stop spamming. Pretty simple, neh?

-D

but hey Dulan..I wasnt apologizing before you,neither before Orion or Alstair or Mason..Not until you will apologize to me,Likita,Seth,and Xanferious.

erm...and make KaVir count there,too..and apologies before kvirk im waiting for,as well..

Apologize publically. On a clearly marked post. So that everyone can see and understand what it is.

Fairly simple. So far, Likita's come clean, and that's it from what I've seen. Which means it's still open season on Shao_Long, Xanferious, and Ingham/Seth.

-D

Erm... Seth did apologize and changed his attitude.

Xanferious didn't apologize but apparently changed his attitude too.

Now even Shao Long half claimed he would drop it, but he can't leave without a fight.

Just as he can't drop his two or three personas when he's caught in a lie.

Just for reference, Shao Long said he was posting from Lithuania, while Kvirk was in Russia. And then, we had this "hey I don't know who uses my computer". There's a logical disconnect here.

Shao Long, I don't owe you an apology. As long as you quit the spam for good, I don't need one from you either. But, seeing that you stand alone now and that this is no more than a silly argument for trying to mend bruised egos, I suggest you simply leave it at that, post normally and keep an overall lower profile. Nobody's gonna "harass" you without cause.

As I have said thrice now, this isn't a popularity contest, and for my part, I don't ask you leave, only that you change your attitude.

P.S.
My name is spellt like this: Alastair. Thank you.

im tired of answering same posts,Alastair..so i wont answer it now..check my previous ones,ok ?

Mmmmmm. Filters.

*points to his note on Ideas*

Where did he apologize, Alastair?

If it's like Shao's "apology", hell no.

What I want is a clearly stated admission to spamming, an apology for it, and a promise to never do it again.

Simple enough, neh? Likita's done it so far, and that's it.

-D

Nemesis, I suggest you read some of the other posts made by at least one of these people. They're going around slagging off (read libel and slander) MUDs and imms, habitually, in particular RoD from which that person got banned. I dislike libel and slander, every other responsible person should too.

Much better.

Listen,Dulan.Lets make this clear - You want me to lick your boots - dont dream for it.I said what I did,and hey,I dont care about people like you,who call others 'twits ,jerks and stuff' and then say that dont owe any apologies,and tell me that Im not apologizing well enough.

I want to say you one last thing : LEAVE ME ALONE.
I dont care about you,Dulan.
Is THIS clear enough ?

How about this, Shao:

Admit you have spammed,
Apologize for said spam,
Promise to not spam again.

Do you not understand that? It's simple. You have had a large, large part of the community flaming you all. I want you to admit what you did, apologize for it, and promise not to do it again to the community that you spammed. How hard is it for you to understand?

-D

Dammit Dulan !! Are you blind or What The Hell ??

READ MY POSTS.NOW.
And only then,please,respond.Allright ?

Show me the post in which you did that, Shao_Long.

Well? The one you did was saying that you'd apologize the day we apologized for attacking you over your spam. Something exceedingly childish, I might add.

-D